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Old Nov 30, 2004, 08:15 PM   #1
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Utterly fascinating; comes on the Discovery Channel every once in a while.

It recreates the events of July 20, 1944... the day Hitler's own generals tried to assassinate him.

Most of it is restructered, of course, using actors, but CG is used to superimpose the real faces of Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, etc. onto them.
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Old Nov 30, 2004, 08:25 PM   #2
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If they were to make a doc on every failed attempt on Hitler's life, it would make for a looooong month.

The man was protected by the Devil himself.
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Old Nov 30, 2004, 08:54 PM   #3
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UY, I saw that. I liked it.
One of his assiciates with the briefcase filled with explosives, right?
And they recreated his little bunker to blow up, right?

...I think that's what you're talking about. It was neat.
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Old Dec 1, 2004, 07:25 AM   #4
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Yeah, except the ******* planted the bomb beneath a solid-steel table, giving as the only result a casualty, an excuse for Hitler to kill hundreds of opponents, and a funny picture of "Der Fuhrer" with blown up pants and a funny look on his face.

There's a really good book called "To Kill Hitler" which accounts most attempts to end his life. An interesting read, and by the time you finish it, you have to wonder if he had a 6th sense for these things.

Here you go, a nice little extract from a site with lots of info on this:

MUNICH

On November 8, 1939, George Elser, a swiss clock maker who had worked in Germany for several years and bitterly resented the Nazi stranglehold on labour unions, decided to kill Hitler by placing a time bomb in one of the columns behind the podium where Hitler was to give a speech in the Burgerbrau Beer Celler. Set to detonate at preciesly 9.20pm on Wednesday, Nov. 8. At 8.10 Hitler enters the beer hall but at 9.12pm he suddenly ends his speech and departs. Eight minutes later the bomb explodes killing eight people and wounding sixty-five. Elser is later arrested and confined to the concentration camp at Sachsenhousen for six and a half years. Two weeks before the war ended in Europe, Elser was executed by the SS.

THE BERGHOF

On March 11, 1944, Cavalry Captain Eberhard von Breitenbuch attended a conference at Hitler’s villa the ‘Berghof’ on the Obersalzberg. Concealed on his person was a small Browning pistol with which he intended to shoot his Fuhrer and at the same time was willing to sacrifice his own life in the attempt. He felt that the war was now at such a stage that the complete destruction of Germany was inevitable and that Hitler had to be stopped. Breitenbuch enters the conference room behind Field Marshal Ernst Busch, who suspects nothing, but as he approaches the door he is stopped by the Duty Sergeant who explains "Sorry, no adjutants beyond this point, Führers orders". So yet another attempt fails.

BERLIN

In February, 1944, Infantry Captain Bussche agrees to blow up Hitler and himself while he demonstrates a new army winter overcoat to the German leader. Fate intervenes the day before when during a British air raid the uniforms were destroyed and Bussche was returned to duty at the front. A few weeks later another ‘overcoat’ attempt was made. This time the volunteer model was Ewald Heinrich von Kleist, son of one of the original conspitators and included Major General Helmuth Stieff. Again the RAF saved the day with an air-raid just before the demonstration was about to take place forcing its cancellation.

THE BERGHOF

On July 11, 1944, Staff Officer Lt. Colonel Count Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg, convinced that he and he alone could assassinate Hitler, attended another conference at the Berghof. Concealed inside his briefcase was a time bomb. Waiting outside in a gateaway car was his co-conspirator, Captain Friedrich Klausing. Inside the Berghof, Stauffenberg telephones his colleagues in Berlin to tell them that neither Goering nor Himmler are present. They insist that the attempt be aborted. Stauffenberg then returnes to Berlin to plan his next assassination attempt.

RASTENBURG

Stauffenberg’s second attempt occurs at Hitler’s Wolf’s Lair headquarters in East Prussia. On July 15, 1944, he attends a Fuhrers briefing and observes with dismay that Himmler is again absent. The attempt was once again aborted.

RASTENBURG

Thirty six year-old Stauffenberg’s final attempt occured on July 20, 1944. Four days earlier, the attempt was decided upon during a meeting at his residence at No. 8 Tristanstrasse, Wansee. Himmler or no Himmler, the attempt must go ahead, come what may. At 12.00pm Stauffenberg and General Fromm report to Field Marshal Keitel’s office for a briefing before entering the conference room. At 12.37pm, Stauffenberg pushes his briefcase containing the bomb, under the map table, then leaves the room on the pretext of making a telephone call. At 12.42pm, the bomb explodes. By this time Stauffenberg is on his way back to Berlin. At 6.28pm a radio broadcast from Wolf’s Lair reports that Hitler is alive but only slightly wounded. Later that night, at 12.30am, Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators, Haeften, Olbricht and Mertz, are arrested and executed by firing squad in the inner courtyard of the Bendlerstrasse Headquarters.

PARIS

Another attempt to assassinate Hitler was planned for July 27, 1943, in Paris, where Count Fritz-Dietlof von der Schulenberg planned to shoot Hitler from the reviewing stand during a military parade in Hitler’s honour. Hitler however secretly visited Paris in the early hours of July 23, visiting all the city’s famed buildings. He began his tour at 6am and by 9am he ended his tour and departed the city. A few days later Schulenberg recieved word that his hoped for July 27 military parade had been cancelled.

PARIS

Despite Schulenberg’s failure to lure Hitler to Paris for the special parade, Field Marshal Erwin von Witzleben had plans of his own to assassinate Hitler. In May, 1941, he attemped to lure Hitler to Paris under a similar pretext. The visit was scheduled for May 21st but was abruptly called off at the last minute.

SIEGFRIED LINE

In 1939, prior to the outbreak of WWII, German General Kurt von Hammerstein repeatedly attempted to lure Hitler into visiting the Army’s fortifications along the Seigfried Line near the Dutch border where he commanded a base. Hammerstein and his co-conspirator, retired General Ludwig Beck, had planned a ‘fatal accident’ to Hitler during his inspection of the base. Hitler however, never honoured the invitation, instead he turned the tables on Hammerstein by placing him on the retired list.

POLTAVA

Another plot to assassinate Hitler was hatched at Army Group B Headquarters at Walki near Poltava in the Ukraine. This time the conspirators were General Hubert Lanz, his Chief of Staff, Major-General Dr. Hans Speidel and Colonel Count von Strachwitz, the commanding officer of the Grossdeutschland Tank Regiment. The plan was to arrest Hitler on his anticipated visit to Army Group B in the spring of 1943. Hitler, at the last minute, changed his mind and instead decided to visit his forces fighting in Saporoshe further east.

SMOLENSK

On March 13, 1943, three attempts were planned on Hitler’s life. Field Marshal Guenther von Kluge, commander of Army Group Center on the eastern front, finally managed to lure Hitler into visiting his headquarters at Smolensk. However a number of officers on Kluge’s staff had other thoughts, to assassinate Hitler. Colonel Henning von Tresckow, who hated Hitler and the Nazis, together with Lt. Fabian von Schlabrendorff, Colonel Rudolf von Gersdorff and Cavalry Captain Georg von Boeslager, had hatched a plan to get rid of the Fuhrer.

Plan 1

Captain von Boeslager and his company was to serve as armed escort to Hitler’s motorcade. During the drive from the airfield the Fuhrer’s car was to be gunned down in an ambush. The attempt was aborted when Hitler arrived with his own armen escort of 50 SS guards.

Plan 2

The second attempt was to take place during lunchtime in the mess hall. At a given signal, Tresckow was to rise from the table and open fire on Hitler as he ate lunch, but the sight of so many SS close to Hitler arouses fear of failure and so once again the attempt was aborted.

Plan 3

As Hitler leaves by plane for Berlin, Tresckow instructs Schlabrendorff to hand over a package to Colonel Heinz Brandt who is flying back with Hitler. The package, containing two bottles of brandy, is a gift for Major-General Helmuth Stieff in Berlin. Concealed in the package is a time bomb but it failed to explode owing to the high altitude cold air freezing the acid in the detonator. When news of Hitler’s safe arrival reached the plotters, Schlabrendorf immediately flew to Berlin and retrieved the package, replacing it with two genuine bottles.

In February, 1945, Albert Speer, Hitler’s Armaments Minister, came to the conclusion that his Furher was deliberately committing high treason against his own people. It was then that Speer decided that Hitler must be eliminated. During one of his many walks in the Chancellery gardens he took note of a ventilation shaft leading to Hitler’s bunker. An idea formed in his mind and he discreetly asked the head of munitions production, Dieter Stahl, if he could procure some of the new gas, Tabun which he intended to conduct into the ventilation shaft of the bunker. Stahl, who was sympathetic to the idea, revealed that Tabun was effective only after an explosion and would not be suitable for the purpose which Speer intended. Another gas had to be found but the whole idea was thwarted when armed SS sentries were placed around the bunker entrances and on the roof. A chimney had also been built around the ventilation shaft to a height of ten feet which put the air-intake of the shaft out of reach.

At the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, Albert Speer was sentenced to twenty years imprisonment, which he served to the very last minute, in Spandau Prison, Berlin.

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Old Dec 2, 2004, 01:50 PM   #5
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Re: Virtual History: The Secret Plot to Kill Hitler

That's a weird chain of events.
Thank you for elaborating, Iwata.
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Old Dec 2, 2004, 10:56 PM   #6
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Re: Virtual History: The Secret Plot to Kill Hitler

Funny... the same thing happened to me earlier today.
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Old Dec 3, 2004, 06:44 AM   #7
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You? I always pictured you simply vanishing into the night in a black sedan escorted by three "suits".

Which is why we were concerned when you stopped posting so close to the elections.
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Old Dec 7, 2004, 04:27 PM   #8
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Re: Virtual History: The Secret Plot to Kill Hitler

Did you notice that most of the attempts came just when the Germans started loosing the upper hand? "We're winning! Hitler is Great!". But just as soon as things go bad, "Ah crap. Kill him, he will be the downfall of us all!".
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Old Dec 7, 2004, 04:32 PM   #9
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That is sadly true, but not hard to understand.
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Old Dec 9, 2004, 05:30 PM   #10
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I don't really find it sadly true. Well, actually, i sort of can. Because they waited so damned long to attempt anything, they allowed him to start systematically destroying the armies around him. So the sane Nazi leaders are just as much to blame as Britain and France for going, "If we keep giving him what he wants, and allowing him to build an even larger, more powerful army, he'll quite! We are geniuses!"
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Old Dec 9, 2004, 07:10 PM   #11
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The most feared and hated words of any diplomat: "Peace in our time".
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