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Andromeda Strain, The (1971)

Rated G... But may be too intense for younger children. | guide

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Old Dec 10, 2000, 03:29 AM   #1
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Angry Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????


Although I loved the movie, I was ABSOLUTLEY horrified by the "lab animals" sequence where they exposed rats and beautiful rhesus (sp?) monkeys to the Andromeda crystal.

Those animals were not acting.

Does anyone know if they were really killed?

If so... then that is pathetic.

They could have accomplished the same effect by cutting away from the cages... then cutting back to show the animals "dead" (when they only would have been tranquilized).

Its so shocking to be reminded of the days before the "prevention of cruelty to animals" in film.

Any information that could be provided on this matter would be appreciated.

thanx

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Old Dec 21, 2000, 07:34 PM   #2
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oh my goodness! thats exactly what i was thinking!!!! i saw the movie today because i did that book for an english project and at that scene i was horrified!!!!!! i don't think that the rhesus or the rat were acting

i don't know, maybe they used sleeping gas or something that wouldn't have any lasting effects. i hope anyways.

i was so upset after i saw that scene. that poor monkey!
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Old Jan 6, 2001, 08:18 PM   #3
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Sleeping gas...... hmmm, doubtful


Hi there SHINE2000,

I don't know if they used sleeping gas. Would exposure to sleeping gas have produced that twitching in the rhesus monkey?

It seemed like the monkey was in the throes of death with all that twitching. If I'm not mistaken, sleeping gas gradually makes you drowzy and you slump over and sleep.

The rhesus monkey was going into spasm... remember? Like he was in pain. Poor thing.

I'd like to believe that it was sleeping gas... but it doesn't seem to fit the bill.

Hopefully I will find some information on that scene somewhere and I will know for certain what happened.

Take care... and happy new year!

ROXX
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Old Feb 14, 2001, 11:03 AM   #4
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

In watching this movie the other day I noticed that there is a note in the front titles saying that animal scenes were supervised by the SPCA (or something similar). This jumped out at me because having seen the movie before I knew the animal scenes were very intense and I'd wondered if animals were killed. So hopefully the disclaimer means that they weren't - or it may mean they were put to death humanely (very upsetting to some people).

They are powerful scenes in a movie full of strong images.
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Old May 23, 2001, 03:54 AM   #5
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

it would not be necessary to chemically compromise the animals beyond simple hypoxia. the spasms were consistent with sudden and acute discontinuation of an adequate oxygen level in the air.
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Old May 29, 2001, 03:55 PM   #6
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Cool Relax about the animals, dudes.

Those animals didn't die, dudes! Check out my full post.
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Old Aug 11, 2001, 01:24 PM   #7
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

The Sci-Fi channel ran this movie, the Andromeda Strain again today. I saw
the controversaral 'monkey killed' scene. It looked like the really died
to me.

I'm trying to find the "full post' alluded to in the above post, but don't see
how I can read it. I hope that the monkey (or rats) weren't killed....
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Old Aug 15, 2001, 09:22 PM   #8
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no animals were harmed in this film.

To simulate the death of the monkey in the Andromeda Strain, an airtight set was used; the bottom of it was filled with carbon dioxide, so that when the monkey's cage was opened, he had to breathe the carbon dioxide. When he was just about to pass out, a waiting veteranarian immediately treated him with oxygen. Of course, no animals were harmed in the making of this film

http://www.afionline.org/wise/films/...info/info.html


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Old Nov 20, 2001, 07:05 AM   #9
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

Nasty matter of fact images that mirror what we know happens in "real science". With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised that the monkeys and rats involved, were actual animals already being used for "real science" and had reached the stage where it was time to put them down and dissect. Look at the year this movie was made. At school at around 1976ish, we (I abstained if memory serves me correctly) we were killing and dissecting frogs and mice, and of course even worse was happening in universities and science labs. Visit the "PETA" web pages for more on what goes on this day and age. Sorry, but it looked too real to me, and there was no sign of breathing as the cages were moved out. However, even if it was faked, just think how many of similar critters have been subjected to various tortures and then death all in the name of science and/or the perscription drug industry.
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Old Nov 20, 2001, 09:38 AM   #10
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

Please look at my previous posting. As realistic as these images were the monkey was not harmed and a veterinarian was on hand during the filming to care for the animals. If you have doubts check the following link. It explains how the scene was done.

http://www.afionline.org/wise/films.../info/info.html
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Old Jul 3, 2003, 06:22 PM   #11
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

Quite correct.

The animals were hit with carbon monoxide(or dioxide, though the way the monkey is gasping and convulsing suggests the more potent monoxide) till they passed out. Its still nasty as they are in reality sufficating. But the people making this shot were also being carefull not to kill the animals.

Some versions have clipped this sequence.

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Old Jun 11, 2004, 08:38 PM   #12
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Re: Did they kill those innocent monkeys and rats??????

You guys would probably freak out if I told you they shot over 200 horses to do "Charge of the Light Brigade"...
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Old Aug 17, 2004, 03:11 PM   #13
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I know what you guys mean (sets aside chicken bucket). It would have been terrible if those animals died (loosens leather belt). I would have cried myself to sleep tonight (on my goose down pillow of course - rickety neck).

I wonder what was going through their limited minds as they neared passing out. I'm sure they were right glad when they woke up later and found out it was all joke - ha ha ha, fooled you! You thought you were dying didn't you!! You should have seen your face!!! Hey - don't you dare throw your feces at me....

A little torture for the sake of cinema is much better than just flat out killing them I guess.

They weren't my animals. They would either be wild or owned by someone who would control their disposition. Either way it's not my concern. Am I concerned how much the actors got paid? Am I concerned at the wildlife displaced to create the sets? Nope. I'm not concerned about a rat and a monkey either.
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Old Sep 4, 2004, 12:10 AM   #14
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the monkey lives

what was terrible is the horses in the movie heavens gate really died in such numbers.
the rats and monkies in andromeda srtain were alright the aspca was there to ensure that so all you peta homos calm down already.
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Old Sep 15, 2004, 07:17 PM   #15
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" A coward dies a thousand times, a brave man only once."

Is it more acceptable to give this monkey two deaths, than the usual one?
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